Talk:Archive:Grand Unified Micronational

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July 5 Quorum
I will not be able to attend the July 5 quorum because I am going away for the weekend. I will be back Monday. Sorry I habe to miss it. -Samana Cay Sumpland 15:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Elections
Is the office of Vice Chairman up for election? Ramtak619 17:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The office of Vice-Chairman is given to the runner up, unless more than three member states object, in which case another election will be held for the Vice-Chairman. As such, to stand to be Vice-Chair, you must run for Chairman first.

June 28th Meeting
I will not be attending the June 28th meeting due to a family commitment. If you could post what was discussed, that would be appreciated. Thank you. -Samana Cay Sumpland 17:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

ELECTIONS
The third Grand Unified Micronational elections have officially concluded. I will know announce the results:

The Republic of Bokonton (1 vote), the Democratic Duchy of Francisville (3 votes) and New Scientopia (2 votes) have been elected to the Advancement Council.

The Democratic People's Republic of Erusia (3 votes), the Socialist Republic of Murrayfield (1 vote), the Empire of New Europe (1 vote), the Republic of Petorio (2 votes) and the Federal Republic of St.Charlie (1 vote) have been elected to the Security Council.

Incumbent Chairman of the Quorum of Delegates Robert Lethler will be succeeded by Jamie Sutherland of the Democratic Duchy of Francisville, who has been nominated with 6 votes against 2 for Alexander Reinhardt of the Federal Republic of St.Charlie, and 0 votes each for Emperor Malum I of the Ohio Empire and Kalvin Koolidge of the Republic of Petorio.

Alexander Reinhardt is elected as Vice-Chairman. If three micronations contest this election, a second ballot will be held.

Incumbent Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Tribune Jamie Sutherland will be succeeded by Robert Lethler of the Democratic People's Republic of Erusia, who has been nominated with 4 votes.

Incumbent Chief Notary Petrus I of Finismund will be succeeded by Jacob Tierney of New Scientopia, who has been nominated with 6 votes.

Change of office occurs at midnight on July 12th 2009.

The abstination rate for this election was 50.00%, with eight of sixteen member states exercising their voting powers.

Request for a trial
Having heard the complaints of Stigistan against us, the Democratic People's Republic of Erusia is formally requesting a trial be held concerning the events of the War over Micronational Communism - specifically, if the Democratic People's Republic has violated the constitution and if so is punishment from the institution necessary. We are absolutely confident that we have acted within the limits of the constitution but in order to satisfy our critics, wish this trial to go forward at the earliest possible date so that we may resolve this issue and demonstrate to our political enemies that we did not act inappropriately at all during the war. Robert Lethler

June 28 Quorum of Delegates
This is the agenda for the June 28th session of the Qorum of Delegates in the official venue. If you do not have the password for any reason, e-mail and existing member to request it - do not give out the password to any non-member state without approval from the Chair. The meeting will take place at 7pm GMT and no earlier. Due to an unexpected issue, I may not be able to attend the beginning of the meeting - if I can join later, I shall, and will hopefully be no more than 30 minutes late.


 * 1) Opening
 * 2) National reports
 * 3) Micronational "Advise" Bureau - official branding as terrorist organisation, investigation of Stigistan's involvement, consultation with the Judicial Branch
 * 4) Membership applications - Slinky, Sandefreistikhan, Cakeland (second vote due to failure to obtain a majority either way)
 * 5) Elections - more info, questions can be asked
 * 6) Universal Declaration of Micronational Rights
 * 7) Universal treaty of non-aggression (New European proposal)
 * 8) Common currency review
 * 9) Any other business
 * 10) Close

"#Common currency review"- was this actually discussed? Bokontonian 18:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

No, everyone left Scientopia 18:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Membership request of the Slinky Empyre
to: Grand Unified Micronational, its member states, and Chairman Mr. Robert Lethler

Greetings:


 * Today, I virtually come forward to request membership into this unified organization on behalf of my nation, the Slinky Empyre.
 * A primary goal of the Slinky Empyre is to promote friendship and safety around the world. After looking over your constitution, it is clear that your intentions are for peace and development. Being approved into this ring of micronations would be both historic and honoring.
 * This group's resume is filled with achievements: the victory over Kirbland, the foundation of IMRAC, and the neutrality over Siple Island, just to name a few. Well done!
 * So, in conclusion, I ask for membership into GUM. If anyone here needs any more information, I'd be happy to provide it.
 * May God bless you all!

–Kyng Fyrst 20:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Your application was retained and will be voted on this saturday.

June 21
Where is everybody? Has the meeting been canceled? Ramtak619 19:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I was not able to attend as my computer had crashed. It is now very patchy and I do not expect to be on MicroWiki for the next week, although I am hopeful that I will be able to make the next meeting. If anyone needs me, they can find me at bokonton.gov@5wmail.com Bokontonian 06:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Membership Request from the Grand Lamate of Sandefreistikhan
The Offices of His Majesty Guillaume le Premier of Sandefreistikhan as Lama Royale, Premier of the Communist Party of the Grand Lamate of Sandefreistikhan, and Premier of the Political Bureau of the Grand Lamate of Sandefreistikhan From: H.M. Guillaume le Premier of Sandefreistikhan Addressed to: The Member States of the Grand United Micronational; Grand United Micronational.

Fellow Microstates, As Lama of the Grand Lamate of Sandefreistikhan, I ask for the joining of my people to such an alliance of Micronations. From the joining of Sandefreistikhan to the G.U.M., Sandefreistikhan will not only be helped by joining into relations with other microstates so developed and conceived like Sandefreistikhan but, too, the Micronations of the G.U.M. shall know that they are backed by Sandefreistikhan. Sandefreistikhan will NEVER back down from our enemies, always stand up for allies, and always fight for our causes.

Though the age of Sandefreistikhan is short, we have gained so much momentum and power since our creation and leaving the old Republic of Trénois. As the former Elder and Triarch of Trénois, and sole active member of such, I am experienced in treaties, writing, and war. In August of 2008, the Republic of Trénois declared war and annexed a close by, semi-active micronation, called Beareth. Beareth was quickly taken and annexed by the Republic of ''Trénois.

Should any member of the G.U.M. need to ask myself, the Lama of Sandefreistikhan, any questions, you may do so by emailing or Yahoo IMing az_newjersey@yahoo.com or contact me on MSN via vtabenakimd@hotmail.com.

His Majesty, Guillaume the First of Sandefreistikhan, --VTAbenakiMD 23:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Your application was retained and will be voted on this saturday.

abuse of Microwiki: Camuria & Patetopia
Flandrensis is an ally of Camuria but we are never involved in any conflict. Today I've got a mail from Camuria that the moderator 'Scientopia' have blocked their account. A few minustes ago Patetopia send a mail that they are also blocked on MicroWiki.

Flandrensis is neutral in any conflict between Scientopia and others against Camuria but MicroWiki may NOT BE ABUSED FOR ANY CONFLICT! From our opinion have the moderator Scientopia blocked Camuria and Patetopia by the conflict between the two nations and abused his function. Otherwise the moderators can block every micronation that is involved in any conflict.

I know that a lot of members of the GUM are negative about Camuria but we must be fair, MicroWiki is for everyone and we can not block other micronations if there is a conflict. Therefore I ask the GUM to negotiate with Scientopia about this situation.

Respectfully,

Niels I of Flandrensis--Niels Vermeersch 21:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

First, I haven't blocked Patetopia. Second, I have recieved a fair amount of complaints against Ian, as has Ptrcancer as far as i am aware, they have been beneath several attempts to undermine other micronations, they have lied repeatedly, and NOW they have been shown to be strongly linked to the MAB, the terrorist group. I am hence fighting the terror by beginning to remove it from microwiki. And all this i have explained to Flandrenss and yet they refuse to listen.

Scientopia 22:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

This was not a decision taken unilaterally by Scientopia. Scientopia consulted other Administrative staff every step of the way and did not act without the backing of at least one Administrator - the ban on Camuria is profesionally, not politically, motivated. As Administrators we must try to keep MicroWiki a free, safe environment for all it's users. Evidence we have been shown, in addition to a number of repeated complaints by members of the community, has suggested that our users do not feel comfortable using this wiki due to aggressive action on the part of the users in question. Specifically, these bans have been motivated by reported lying and gross deception on the part of the users in question, in addition to damning evidence that suggests that the Camurian user has set up multiple accounts on MicroWiki, has conspired against a user (not a micronation, a user) to release extremely sensitive personal information without their consent and may have been involved in conspiring against a number of other users in the past. This ban is to protect the greater community of users and is in response to a series of systematic complaints to us by users. This is my understanding of events.

Please feel free to raise any other concerns. I am happy to discuss the matter with the users in question (ptrcancer@yahoo.co.uk)! :) ptrcancer 22:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

For all security and misunderstandings, Flandrensis is completly neutral and don't chose any side. I read the explenation from Scientopia but not much later Patetopia (if I'm not mistake they are an ally of Camuria) contact me that they also were blocked. That's the reason why I wrote this post to the GUM. But if they are blocked profesionally and not politically and it is against 'users' and not 'micronations' I can understand the situation. I want only the best for MicroWiki but it must be fair. --Niels Vermeersch 22:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

If you check the block log you will see Patetopia was never blocked. I would like to know, however what links Camuria has with MAB? I am not pro-Camuria in any way I just would like to know what you have found to back up your claims. Pres. Kalvin Koolidge 23:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, when talking to them, i managed to get the person talking to to tell me who they where, and low and behold it was close friend of Ian, John Hamilton, and recently, Daniel Hill, when editing althacia, forgot to log out of the MAB account. These both point to Ians direct involvement.

Scientopia 23:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

After me, Patetopia is "blocked but unblocked" because it casually has the same IP as Camurias, and therefore if Ian's IP is banned, Pate's account is banned too. Quite a mistery eh ? --Cajak 09:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

For the record, Patetopia has been unblocked. --Patetopia 21:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

GeeSee Room
I am unable to access, is anyone else suffering this problem. Scientopia 20:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Mr Lethler is. He just e-mailed you. ptrcancer 20:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I am as well. Pres. Kalvin Koolidge 21:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I am having trouble accessing the chat room too.

Emperor Malum I

I am unable to connect too. Looks like there's some problem with GeeSee (duh). --Cajak 21:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

You all have IM right? Scientopia 21:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I have Yahoo Messenger. I don't use it, but I have it. Emperor Malum I


 * You all might be interested in using the much more popular Skype application. Kyng Fyrst

20:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with Kyng Fyrst, Skype works well.. though I'm not sure if you can have a group chat... Edit: Yes, you can, just click which people you are going to speak to or call to. --His Majesty Guillaume le Premier 23:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Skype is very good. How many members have it? Francisvillegov 23:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I do, though I'm uncertain about the results of the 28 June Quorum. I sent Erusia a message, but I don't remember them replying yet. This is my email, az_newjersey@yahoo.com, for Skype; or Will Sorgel --His Majesty Guillaume le Premier 23:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Mr Lethler apologies for not being able to notify membership applicants as to the results of the vote. Of the three applications considered, none achieved the constitutional majority required for approval - with GUM's membership growing, Erusia intendes to dispatch a delegate to the July 5th Quorum to propose a reform of the membership system to make the process smoother and fairer on applicants. Mr Lethler regrets that he will not be available online for the next few days.

Sandefreistikhan requires 5 additional votes to be admitted, Cakeland requires 1 and the Slinky Empyre requires 2. ptrcancer 09:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

His Majesty Guillaume le Premier would like to apologize to the People of Erusia, if my last correspondence to them was disrespectful or rude. --His Majesty Guillaume le Premier 12:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

GeeSee is not working
Alright... "Houston, we got a problem".

The GeeSee chat system looks like it doesn't want to work, and since I wouldn't like to see "Noone can access the meeting, so we have no metting" on the talk page, I think we have to find a solution now.

Someone in a few posts ago, talked about using Skype. I personally believe this is the best one, since we can choose between speaking and chatting, or do both of them at the same time. And as far as I heard, any other micronational organization ever had a meeting with other than a chatroom, so we would also be the first ones ! Hooray !

Before giving out links and help guides of how to create accounts and stuff-like-that... who's with me in this ? --Cajak 11:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with using skype, and you have my contact :) (jamie_britishoceanliners)

Francisvillegov 11:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with using skype too, and will download it now, contact posted in a minute. It is new_scientopia

&quot;&#39;&#39;Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici&#39;&#39;&quot; 12:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I also agree, but with reservations. Although Skype is much more efficient, it is harder to access. However, I think that it is an overall good move. As my computer is still slow and patchy in its workings however, I may not be able to attend the next meeting. Bokontonian 13:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

July 4?
Would everyone be able to make the GUM meeting June 4th so that i may be there to discuss the Pecune?

&quot;&#39;&#39;Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici&#39;&#39;&quot; 15:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like some feedback on this ASAP!!!!! &quot;&#39;&#39;Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici&#39;&#39;&quot; 14:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It should be good for me.

Emperor Malum I

It's cool for me too. --Cajak 15:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

yes that will be good Francisvillegov 18:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Tonights Agenda
This is the agenda for the July 4th session of the Qorum of Delegates in the official venue. If you do not have the password for any reason, e-mail and existing member to request it - do not give out the password to any non-member state without approval from the Chair. The meeting will take place at 7pm GMT and no earlier. ''' Geesee is fixed!!


 * Welcome
 * National reports
 * Unified Currency Discussion
 * Membership Requests
 * New Scientopian Language Project
 * Possible transition to skype
 * Any other business
 * Close

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