Talk:Archive:Grand Unified Micronational

Plenary Sessions
For those of you who were not at the end of January 24ths live meeting, it was decided that both councils should hold a plenary session (a meeting of all members) to discuss how they will operate and establish their first iniatives and programs. I would recommend that all members establish when they are typically available online so we can arrange something. Please post under the correct heading. Robert Lethler

Security

 * Jacob Tierney Mon-Wed 18.00-24.00, Thurs 22.00-24.00, Some Fridays 17.00-24.00 and some weeksends 10.00-24.00.

Development

 * Alexander Reinhardt: Mon-Fri 5pm-8pm GMT, Weekend whole day until 8pm (best if afternoon)
 * Robert Lethler: Mon-Thurs 7-10pm GMT, Friday-Saturday 7pm-12am GMT, Fri 7pm-10pm GMT
 * Harry Meek: (Some Weekdays 4pm-5pm, 7pm-9pm)(Sometimes Sunday 3pm-5pm)(It is unpredictable when I am online, I just come on when I am not busy however these are the prime times)

Despite the fact our colleagues seem to lack any interest in the functioning of this institution, I would recommend that we chair a meeting of the Development Council on February 14th beginning at 7pm. Robert Lethler

I will be able to make it because I will be at my Mum's.

List of Councils and Applicants
The elections will be taking place on Sunday, correct? Ramtak619 20:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes Scientopia 17:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Nations Participating in Virtual Manager
I am proposing that me all do a Virtual Manager Fantasy League. I will write up a sheet of players from Tozland, Stigistan, Petorio and Scientopia. Each participate of the fantasy league will have x amount to spend on player and scores will be added for players over the week. The person with the most points will win the fantasy league.

The scores will work as follows:

All Players
 * Goal - 5pts
 * Assist - 3pts
 * Full Game - 4pts
 * Sub On - 2pts

Defenders and Goalkeepers Only
 * Each Goal Conceded, -1pt
 * Clean Sheet, 4pts

GUM Logo ?
I had nothing to do this morning, so I decided to create a logo for the GUM. I didn't make the globe. I used it for the article, but if you don't like it, or you'd like to change something to it, feel free to change whatever you'd like.



--Cajak 11:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

It's really good. I wish for GUM to keep this logo, from Harry Meek

This is a very nice logo, thank you.

Scientopia 12:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

This logo would give the UN a run for it's money.

Emperor Malum I

Area
Stigistan/ King Joe believes in order to improve his nation he can just claim the whole of Hull. Could the GUM nations please help me in telling him that this is unfair and he generally can't do it.

--(King Jasper 12:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

That wasn't a serious claim, it was an example to show the MDI system was flawed. I came up with a better example minutes later.

How does that make it flawed?

Live chat meeting
I propose that the GUM nations all work together to schedule a live online chat meeting at meebo.com where we could discuss various topics of the micronational world right now. Ramtak619 12:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea. Maybe we should find a date and an hour where the most people is online. I think saturday is a good date. --Cajak 12:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree, saturday. About 10 30 pm GMT? Scientopia 12:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Today or next week? I will set up a chatroom in a little bit. Ramtak619 12:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I've set up a chatroom. It would have to be today because I probably won't be here next saturday. Is today, in about 9 hours ok for everyone? Scientopia 12:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds good ill be there. Whats the name of the chatroom? Ramtak619 13:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Grand Unified Micronational, search for GUM Scientopia 13:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I won't be able to be there that late. 8pm ish would be better for me (King Jasper 13:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

Same for me, but I don't assure my presence. --Cajak 13:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes I think 10.30 is too late (King Jasper 13:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

Ok then, is 8pm good for everyone? Scientopia 13:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

It is likely that I will be online however it isn't guaranteed. I may be busy however I will make an effort to be there (King Jasper)

Any time is good for me, really. For me 8pm is only 3pm. Ramtak619 13:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, well I am going out now to play some golf. I will see later. (King Jasper 13:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

I won't be able to be there but I will check it in the morning and post ny thoughts then. King Joe I

Ok Joe. Scientopia 18:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

So far, hopefully,the line up is Scientopia, Petorio, FROSC and Tozland. Any others? Scientopia 17:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Robert Lethler of Erusia has informed me that he will be able to attend this meeting tonight. Ptrcancer 18:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Only 1 hour to go. I am there right now by the way. Ramtak619 19:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't even know where it is.--King Ian II 19:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I probably cant go, im sorry. Maybe i could for a bit if it was on now (King Jasper 19:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

The meeting will be taking place in the "Grand Unified Micronational" chatroom on Meebo.com Ramtak619 19:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I dont suppose that you could put a link on this page although it is likely that i will not be able to go :( (King Jasper 19:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

http://www.meebo.com/room/grandunifiedmicronational/ Ramtak619 19:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning the talk page up ?
I don't know if someone noticed, but the discussion board of this page is getting a bit too much "crowded" with messages and discussions. What if we delete discussions after a certain period ? e.g 15 days after the last message. --Cajak 11:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Anzacia
I have consulted with the nation of Anzacia and have come to an arragement. I ask that the nation of Anzacia be added to GUM. This I have been assured by Mr. Hill of Anzacia will bring peace as well as full independence from Camuria.

Emperor Malum I

If we give Anzacia full independence then we want the word of other members of GUM that if they attack our Empire again we will occupy them and have no interference.

--King Ian II 18:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I will back that, provided a third party guarentees us that they attacked first.

Scientopia 18:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Very well, we shall leave the Vice-Roy as our representative in Anzacia and after Queen Megan ends her reign Anzacia be restored back to the Republic as it was before Mr Hill took over. The Court of Seven shall also have to stay as the legal body in Anzacia and the micronation will be ruled as a Constitutional Monarchy. If we drop the charges on Daniel Hill we must have the asurance that he will never hold a high ranking place of power or Camuria will have to remove him for our own safety.

--King Ian II 18:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Im not sure that that is full independence Ian. You can leave your Vice-Roy as anambassador. However, you cannot define how the country will be run. Mr.Hill will be allowed to have one last chance at the helm of Anzacia. If he attacks, you will be allowed to do with him what you will. However, after your withdrawl date, you will have no control over Anzacia.

Scientopia 18:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

He cannot be allowed to run it, as he overthrew the Republic he will proberbly do the same again, we will leave the Vice-Roy and as the Court of Seven are not under our power anyway they will stay as the highest power. We will withdraw our military pressence and clear the Navy from the sea to the South, any citizens of Anzacia that want to be Camurian Citizens shall be allowed and if they wish, transported across to Greater Polskania. If Daniel Hill is still allowed a leading role we will have to stay in Anzacia for our own safety.

--King Ian II 18:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I would recommend that, as a compromise, an independent and free election for the ruler of Anzacia be held so that the people of that nation may select their own leader regardless of the personal interests of any third party, including Camuria. If Ohio Empire is willing, they can serve as the platform for verification of the results by acting as ballot counter and ensuring that the election was fair. (Dictated by Robert Lethler) Ptrcancer 18:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

During the First Kingdom of Anzacia a law was passed so that only residents on the island can be Anzacian Citizens and you can't live their unless you are Anzacian, so how could it be counted by The Ohio Empire if it is all elected on the Island and not via internet?

--King Ian II 18:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

i would be fine with that. I believe that as llong as it is fir and balanced it should work. I do however suggest a meeting of the leaders of Anzacia and Camuria on the meebo message board.

Emperor Malum I

Erusia has told me they would like an immediate report from Emperor Malum on recent events, given the fact that Camuria has recently conquered Anzacia. Ptrcancer 20:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

As you obviously know, no talks have happened. On 28th December 2009 Camurian Soldiers withdrew from Anzacia and the Royal Guard took our place to protect Anzacia. On 30th December 2009 three Anzacian citizens who supported Camuria to occupy Anzacia, Henry Kelly, Paul Denton and Sean Mercer started a peaceful protest for a pro-Camuria take over and on 31st December the Royal Guard under order of their Commander tried to stop the prtesting and assaulted one of them. The men fled to Halfway Island by a fishing boat and upon meeting with the Governor-General of the Province, layed siege to the micronation. As the monarch of this nation has never visited it the people feel unsafe with them and I want you to speak with a man who used to live in Anzacia but fled to Greater Polskania as he was a pro-independence supporter and he was arrested but we releaced him and now lives in Greater Polskania as a refugee.

--King Ian II 21:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

If what Camuria says is true, then we am certain that the good King will have no objection to providing us with the e-mail address of Anzacia's leader prior to this liberation so that Erusia may hear their side of events and be assured that we have a adequate information to make a superior judgement on the matter. Dictated NPEC statement

Queen Megan's personal representative is the ex-chancellor of the U.M.A and now a supporter of her royal line.

alliedmicronations.live.co.uk, he no longer works for the orginisation and since its renaming the email adress is unused

--King Ian II 21:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Having spoken with the apparent representative of Anzacia, I remain unconvinced that Camurian occupation of Anzacian territory is occupied. I have seen no evidence that Queen Megan volunteered for this process, nor have I seen any evidence of the reported crimes against the Anzacian people. John Hamiliton - an apparently independent observer according to Camuria - is the representative of Anzacia. There is alo no definitive evidence that this is a valid e-mail response. Hamilton's choice of language and the fact that his e-mail is from an organisation that Camuria has once belonged to leads me to believe that the e-mail is of dubious origins. The Commissioner of Internal Affairs has elected not to withdraw our foreign policy white paper and, as such, Erusia will have no dealing with the Kingdom of Camuria outside of this institution. Robert Lethler

Very Well, but don't forget Anzacia was also part of the orginisation and only turned to Anzacia after we had our meeting with him as observer and the Kingdom of Camuria shall not grant any Erusian citizen access to its borders or in any dealings with Camuria.

--King Ian II 21:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Flandrensis-Westartica Conflict
As many of you may know the Grand Duchy of Flandrensis has claimed Siple Island since September 2008. At that time the Grand Duchy of Westartica was no longer functioning and was for effects dead. Then when they returned they claimed the same territory that Flandrensis had even though they had lost the right to claim it. The Grand Duke of Flandrensis has already tried to negotiate but the leaders of Westartica cut off negotiations with the Grand Duke. They were then forced to declare war to protect their nation. I pledged my support in the matter and now I ask GUM for the following...

1. The admission of Flandrensis into GUM.

2. The assitance of GUM in this war.

I know that our mission is to secure peace. But we must protect nations from forces that do not respect autonomy in order to protect the micronational world.

-Emperor Malum I-

Having considered this matter, the Democratic People's Republic of Erusia is entirely in favour of admitting the Grand Duchy of Flandrenis into the Grand Unified Micronational. At the same time however, Erusia will pledge no military support to Flandrenis and encourages both Grand Duchies to meet with appropriate offiicals on the Security Council to discuss an alternative territorial agreement between both nations. Robert Lethler

The Kingdom of Camuria is already an ally of the Grand Duchy of Flandrensis and pledged our support for them when they sent an e-mail on the subject to us, as of yet we have not declared war on Westartica, but we will if needs be and we will also support the Grand Duchy becoming part of GUM.

--King Ian II 23:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I support the admission of Flandrensis into GUM, and will assist if help is needed. Westartica was at the time, dead, and Siple Island was de facto non-micronational territory anymore. --Cajak 00:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

So can we consider Flandrensis a member of GUM?

Emperor Malum I

If Flandrensis wants to join, YES, he think the Grand Duchy is now a member of GUM. --Cajak 07:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I’m honoured that Flandrensis is a member of the GUM. I would thank you all for the support against Westarctica! Grand Duke Niels of Flandrensis

Democratic Duchy of Francisville
Good Evening.

Currently, we are not a member of any micronational organisations and would like to do so. I wish to enquire about how to become a membr.

regards Grand Duke Jamie Sutherland www.francisvillegov.webs.com

Well, basically, I'll do a quick check for anything disapproved of by GUM, and then, if nothing is found, You will get my approval. You need the backing of three members to get in. You may then apply for a seat on a council if you wish.

Scientopia 20:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

After reading your constitution, you have my backing.

Scientopia 20:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

You have the backing of the Ohio Empire.

Emperor Malum I

Thank you for your replies and approval. Please inform me when you consider it suitable for the duchy to become a member. I am most please that everybody seems in approval of our constitution.

Grand Duke Jamie Sutherland

You have also the backing of St.Charlie. --Cajak 13:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, you now have membership in GUM. If you would like to apply for a council, please do so here.

Scientopia 13:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Erusian Seat
For those of you who are not aware, Erusia recently helped to found the Union of Socialist Micronational Republics and as such has lost it's power to conduct foreign affairs under the terms of the unification. The USMR government would like to request that Erusia's membership, and seat on the Advancement Council, be transferred to them. Ptrcancer 21:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Could you please inform Erusia that this new government will be held to the new admisssion protocol? Not as a sign of distrust, merely as a formality. After that, The USMR will take Erusia's seat on the council.

Scientopia 21:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Everything seems in order. I back the USMR's admission into GUM and its advancement council.

Scientopia 21:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The central government of the USMR understands, thanks Scientopia and hopes for a speedy approval by GUM members. Ptrcancer 22:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I would be really glad to see Erusia in our Advancement Council, as I also noticed that Tozland never really participated in the life of the Grand Unified Micronational. So my opinion is: YES for Erusia in GUM, YES for Erusia in the Advancement Council ! --Cajak 10:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Website
I would like to put forward the idea of a website. I am not sure if there is one already. I think the best free webhosting service has to be webs. THey offer very good site membership and forum schemes, with locked pages, and register through your own email address. Would anybody agree to me setting one up?

The USMR would be quite happy to design the website for GUM. They have access to professional website design software of considerable quality (Erusia's newspaper was intentionally streamlined and simplified). Webs and freewebs both allow for the hosting of .html pages and the final product would be considerably more professional than a webs template. Ptrcancer 12:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I would back the USMR inthe designing of a website because, as they have mentioned, they have access to design software superior to that of webs.

Scientopia 12:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I've seen the website of the People's News Service and I must admit it has a really good design. If the USMR has enough time to design the GUM's website, I back them too. --Cajak 12:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

A website would be brilliant but I would appreciate it if all GUM members could make an edit. Thank you XD

(Harrymeek 15:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC))

I think this would be a great idea.

Emperor Malum I

Our State Culture and Creative Media Agency is in the process of developing a website for review by all members to see if they approve of the basic design and content. The CPUSMR Politburo would, however, like to kindly remind those who support the USMR creating a website that they can only do this if members do the USMR the honour of re-approving their membership and seat on the Advancement Council. Otherwise, I am afraid we cannot afford to waste our precious time and resources on developing a website for an institution we have not yet been permitted to rejoin. Robert Lethler

In light of this, I am going to say that Malum's confirmation ofhis support for you to actively partake in the activities of the GUM counts as a confirmation of their support for the USMR to take over Erusia's old position. The transition is hereby official. Scientopia 16:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

The government of the USMR thanks Scientopia and those who supported the transition of Erusia's seat to the USMR. Ptrcancer 16:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Seat
Thank you very much.

I would most like to apply for a seat on the council. I believe there are two councils?

Yes, but I believe advancement is full. This would put you on security. Scientopia 15:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

THis is perfectly fine and I would be glad to join if a place is free. Thank you.

Considering that you have received full admission today, I will not make you go through the same system to attain a security council seat. Scientopia 16:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I am most thankful for the seat.

Everyone; Get in here
In two hours time, I would like all available GUM members to assemble in the meebo GUM room. That is all. Scientopia 18:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I cant (Harrymeek 20:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC))

May I kindly request that, if you intend to chair a meeting, you leave a message on each member's page or editor's page. Some of us don't check this page every six minutes and will miss the update in recent changes - and Lethler isn't exactly impressed I failed to tell him about this because he doesn't check the wiki often unless I bring something to his attention. Ptrcancer 20:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe meeting are now to be held every Sunday 5 til 8 pm GMT in the chat room.

They are indeed. I apologise to those who could not make it. Scientopia 20:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, last time we had an important issue to discuss about and we needed several point of view as soon as possible, but as joe said, we can actually have next meeting on Sunday in the Meebo chat room and can eventually make a resumé of what we talked about last time to the members who were absent. --Cajak 09:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Meebo Issue
For some of us, the Meebo chatroom has caused CPU usage to raise to 50% and the chat client's memory consumption can raise by 300% in a matter of seconds. At least two GUM members have had this problem occur, resulting in crashes every few minutes. I would strongly urge Scientopia to find a new platform to facilitate talks between GUM members that is much more stable. Robert Lethler

EDIT: Having looked into this myself, this is a well documented Meebo issue that cannot be resolved. Meebo consumes massive quantities of memory untill that memory reaches a certain critical mass. Eventually, it seems as though everyone will encounter this consistent crashing. Ptrcancer 19:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I have temporarily set up a chatroom on chatmaker.net in absense of a more permanent platform. If I find one, I will place message here. Scientopia 19:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe we require the URL to access a chatroom through these service. If we are to still have tonight's meeting, it would be much appreciated. Lethler

Here we are http://www.chatmaker.net/chatap/rooms/GUM/ Scientopia 21:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Smear campaign without St.Charlie
I had to let the Parliament decide if St.Charlie would have participated in Westarctica's "smear campaign" (I mean the video), and the majority of the parliament voted against it. I'm sorry to announce that St.Charlie will not be able to participate in the video that had to be done for the 21st of Febraury. Too bad guys, but the people of St.Charlie decided to do so. Still, this doesn't mean I won't participate in the Siple War, and will discuss with the cabinet about it this week. --Cajak 13:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)